Hi Norma,

I manage payroll for a few Quaker (and other) clients and how they do this varies!

Some have employees with a volunteer calculating the accounts using a variety of options (including ringing the HMRC helpline every month to confirm their figures), some have their accountants or bookkeepers providing payroll, some have employees with a separate payroll company providing payroll calculations (PAYE, NI, HMRC, Pension management), some use their charity accounts packages to calculate the payroll (Liberty Accounts is one that does this). The actual setting up of payments for salary and HMRC can be dealt with by the above or a different person such as the treasurer. What you decide to do will very much depend on how many employees, and what resources are available within the AM.

However, going back to your original question regarding whether the self-employed lettings manager's replacement needs to be employed. Well that depends... If they are offering the same service to other clients, working from home, using their own equipment and have the right of substitution, then it isn't likely. If they are only in the one building, using your equipment and not working for anyone else than yes they probably do need to be employed. On the HMRC website there is a handy 'check employment status for tax' tool.

Some Area Meetings/Charities have an employee based in one place manage the room hire businesses and management of several buildings. Others have contracted the management out to a property management company who also offer facilities management and maintenance. So it might be worth seeing if anyone else in Pendle Hill AM also needs such services!

Hope that helps!

Yours in peace,

Wendrie Heywood
she/her
MindfulBusinessServices.com



On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 at 13:44, Norma Lee via wardenship <wardenship@lists.quaker.eu.org> wrote:



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Hello Friends,

Bolton Quakers have had a Friend serving as our lettings manager on a self-employed basis for the past 3 years.  He has done a grand job of building up our lettings since covid but now wishes to 'retire' to do other things so we are looking for a replacement.

From information in the excellent Quaker Employers' Resource it would seem that any replacement should be considered as 'employed' by the meeting.  If your meeting 'employs' similar type staff how do you cope with PAYE, National Insurance and Pensions?  Do you leave this entirely with accountants or manage it 'in house'?  If the latter what software would you recommend?

Any advice would be much appreciat4ed.

Inb friendship
Norma Lee
Finance & Premises Convenor



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